Re: If you want some form of Basebuilding in DaiZy SP, not Epoch:

Posted by benevolentdevil on Feb 14, 2018; 7:53pm
URL: http://kodabar-dayz-daizy-single-player-forum.163.s1.nabble.com/If-you-want-some-form-of-Basebuilding-in-DaiZy-SP-not-Epoch-tp18988p19140.html

You have to edit the mission and place a MGB Module ( f7 ) into the map somewhere.

 By that I mean inside the editor. Which means you need a raw mission, or de-PBO an already saved/packed mission ...

 I did not do this with a  full DaiZy mission myself, I only theoretically thought it would work. ( or someone a bit more dayz code savvy/mission making savvy figure out an post how to get it operational. )
 
 I think many issues stem form DayZ code does a "character switch" when loading characters ... since it's not the actual original model placed down in editor, messes with what scripts/codes are attached.  
  I don't know how to get around that to be honest.

 Since I was able to use MGB Creationism with the Stalker Development Mod, I just assumed you could "plug and play" the same with the DaiZy code mods.
  But I just do not know.

 I can't seem to force a DaiZY mission to work if I edit one, or try building one from scratch as others have done here.
 It will run a mission, but things don't spawn properly ... characters don't switch at the start , or anything worth while beyond just having the code open to spawn stuff to make basically staged machima like "movie" snippets with clever camera use by editor use.

  I like DaiZy for one reason and one reason only ... I can play a form of ( severely outdated of course) dayz depending on the type of missions made by others here regardless if my internet is down or my ISP bandwith is crappy.  
 
 But there are things I despise about DaiZy SP code and the normal DayZ codes -  and it all stems from being absolutely non-coder friendly.  The way it's put together, means you get either SP from this forum, or you must have a server that also runs a database for the Multiplayer type.  

 Which I think , something in between the two forms , should be possible ... but is beyond my capability to do.  
 I've played several of the missions and mods here ... and my favorites are the ones that do not have zombies in them, but factions of NPCs/AI to combat and survive against.
 But, you can't build bases in them ... well, you can make camps in most of them ... but that doesn't really seem like much of an accomplishment to my eyes.  A few Tents and barbed wire with a few tank traps ... if a far cry from a "base", a fortified area you designed and placed down to your liking.
 Secondly ... Sp is fine , but I wanted something where I could LAN play or at least small 3-4 man "group" up and Co-OP play in these non-Zed missions made.
 Lack of other players playing, means it eventually gets boring and "lifeless" ... you do not even get the "entertainment" factor of others playing, putting in thier input, trying to be tactical , working together ... or just messing around and having fun. < None of the above has anything to do with PvP aspects like a "regular" DayZ server is over-abundant with.  

 Olive on here made one that was called "wasteland1987" ... which really has nothing to do with "wasteland mods/Missions of the TvT Coop like warefare missions" that were popular ...
 It's basically DayZ minus zeds , but you have bandit AI and patrols, and a lot going on other than surviving "infected".   It's a great Sp mission where it's only "draw back" is ... well , it's SP only.
 There's also a money system he included, and traders ... ( some did not work though) ...  
 I thought that mission would have been PERFECT for small group Co-Op , but sadly ... DaiZy code simply isn't able to support multi-player , even adding extra player slots editing the mission ... it simply doesn't work.

 I like SP for my own play experience ... but it also gets dull.  There's no one to Co-OP with, share the experience of it all.  It's a "dry play" , and eventually all DayZ becomes is a "rinse and repeat" game mode ...
- spawn in, collect loots.
- Attain a tent or two, a vehicle ... fix em up.
- Go somewhere set up a base camp.
- Loot more until stocked up.  
....  then what???
- You reached "end game" basically ... there's not much more to do or accomplish. Just dragging out the "survival" , how long you can last.  In order to get challenged again ... you simply go get killed/die and start over the process.  < Thats the BEST that DaiZy offers in my opinion.

 If your the type of player/personality thats easily amused/entertained ... I suppose thats all one "needs".  
 I get tired of the rinse and repeat , and I thought actual Base building would at least "extend" playability of the mods.  My "theory" was at least, you'd have something more to work on, improve or repair even ...
 
But sadly ... dayz and daizy codes are sooo ... "locked down" to specific play modes , not very configurable from a user end ... with-out extensive coding/bis/dayz coding mastery ... you can only do so much, and get so much out of it.  

 I can make the MGB-C system work with any arma2 OA mission outside of DayZ or DaiZy ... though it's not exactly a "perfect" system either ... it has it's flaws and drawbacks.  
 It pre-dated Epoch building system and DayZ base building just so you know, and was "offered" by the creator with the Military "vision" of using it for Force vrs Force faction PvP/TvT play in mind.
 I myself ... can't seem to get anything to "work" if trying to edit any daizy mission though.

 I have kind of "given up" on Arma2 DaiZy/and DayZ play.  
 The whole ... " survival/Infected/Zombie" genre is dying/Dead ... and arma2 is practically in it's very last days of life. ( as I write this, a steam update on arma2 OA actually is titled " end of life update" ...

 Everyone has basically moved on to Arma3 or other games ( PUBG , SQUAD, ect ...) ... and of course Arma3 is way more "configurable" as far as the "survival genre" goes.   Arma3 is actually "old" now , been out many years ... there's even chatter about wishlist for Arma4 by famous youtube content creators going around.)
 Ravage Mod for arma3 lets you basically mak eyour own "survival" adventures/missions , SP, small group or large multiplayer ... you can have zombies, Ai, Infected, demons , ... if you wanted predators or dinosaurs ... it's possible with the right DLCs/Addons.  
 Zeus for arma3 means a player can DYNAMICALLY make a mission run/play out in real time ... which also adds to interesting one-of-akind expereinces ...  I've seen some amazing stuff on youtube because of Zeus.

  DaiZy for arma2 Oa is about "dead" , so very few doing anything with it.  

 I have even given up my project of making a STALKER "sandbox" I posted on here ...
 I got the thing set up, I rented a server for it for a month ... which I ran into two major issues with :
Issue 1- Players wouldn't download the right STALKER mods to play, apparently my STALKER DEV mod was different from the one you can get off Armaholic , and I have no idea where I got it. I had it for years and versions didn't match.  So no one but me could play it ...
and Issue 2- The server did not like the Mods either.  Mostly because it was a DayZ "server rental" , and I had to FTP my own mission and mods, but spend hours screwing with the server so it's run ... It wasn't user freindly to do it , and cost money that was just spending so no one could play ... so I just dumped the project and trashed the useless mod/mission anyways.

 I spent a year making the playable sandbox mission ... have no desire to start over or try again using the other avalible "stalker" mods that lack content and are broken/unfinished for arma2.  

 Plus Arma3 has ArmStalker ... which is a better/updated version of what I was trying to do in dead arma2 oa anyways.  

 So, I have basically given up.

 I can't force DaiZy or DayZ to do as I want it to ... Stalker was a no-go ...

best I do nowadays is just play some vanilla Arma2 oa Co-Op missions with a few Steam people when they play now.

 Which is a shame in a way ... I feel like some of the systems used for DayZ/DaiZy were better systems that enhanced play for Arma2 OA/Co ... even way better than ACE2 can give you on the player end.

 -DayZ bleeding/damage/medical system for example.
- Weapon ballistic damage depending on caliber and damage level of weapons another.
- In part the food/water system ( logistics included ), the part I didn't like ... the relentless fast-paced "draining" of unrealistic food/water consumption needs. Consumption is to "video-gamey", and way to "fast"... and even if you change values in the code, still goes way to fast.
- Working flashlights, chemlights that are BRIGHT , and road flares also ... < I though would be useful in night missions when you didn't want OP NVGS/Thermals in play.
- backpack capacities extended and more variety.
- Can carry a primary, sidearm and backpack/shoulder a back up weapon or extra weapon.
- Offered some forms of melee weaponry.
- Hunting/cooking ( again some logistics ) , fire building ... ( light and warmth.)
- Vehicle reapair system/parts.
- Some crafting of course.

  I feel that the "system" was ... "wasted" on just the DayZ Zed "survival" aspects.  It could have benifitted that, and regular "milsim" play equally ... with a all-in-one mod download , no need for this addon, that mod, + configure and tweak several addons/mods to get a beter play/expereince out of Arma2 oa/Co play ... no matter what you were going for.  

 sadly though ... makers were shortsighted, and thought thier way was the only means of using/utilizing the mods.  

 So ... I just gave up.